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A roundtable discussion about COVID, early treatment, vaccines, and much more. All suppressed by the MSM. Highly encouraged to watch!

Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. John Littell, Dr. Heather Gessling, Dr. Mark MacDonald, Dr. Brian Tyson, Dr. Richard Urso

This is a remarkable assembly of a few of the top Covid Expert Doctors, many of them are actively treating Covid Patients both at home, and in the ICU. Some, such as Robert Malone are not actively treating patients, and instead have long successful careers in vaccine development, immunology and virology. Within a few minutes, these all-star doctors set the record straight. Originally recorded Sept 24, 2021.

Transcript
00:05
welcome really happy to have you all
00:06
here really excited today this is a
00:08
great way to kick off what round table
00:09
is doing we have got an amazing panel of
00:12
doctors scientists here today they're
00:14
brilliant human beings who are doctor
00:16
scientists trying to deal with a very
00:18
difficult pandemic and want to have a
00:20
voice in a conversation that we've lost
00:22
in this country right now i'm going to
00:23
just give a really quick introduction
00:25
for you guys just so you get a sense of
00:26
who they are this is dr robert malone is
00:29
arguably one of the key architects of
00:31
mrna he didn't create the vaccine lots
00:35
of people did that but without dr malone
00:37
we wouldn't have mrna vaccines ryan cole
00:41
is board certified at the mayo clinic he
00:43
has diagnosed 300 plus thousand patients
00:47
some of you may have read heard pierre
00:49
corey he gets a lot of attention because
00:50
he goes on joe rogan and places like
00:52
that but pierre cory is one of the
00:54
leaders in intensive care med students
00:57
across the world thousands of them are
00:59
studying and using his textbook
01:01
dr lettel is a family practice doctor
01:04
dr heather gessling she's the chief of
01:06
staff of her local hospital and has been
01:08
working with kids families around covid
01:11
since the beginning of the pandemic dr
01:13
mark mcdonald is a psychiatrist he's
01:15
like that hard truth in the room you're
01:17
going to have to listen to and dr tyson
01:19
arguably has treated more coveted
01:21
patients than anyone in the world
01:24
he has seen six thousand plus patients
01:26
in his clinic dr urso is an
01:28
ophthalmologist and while he's a eye
01:30
surgeon and has one of the biggest
01:31
clinics in the country perhaps in the
01:33
world he's spent the last year and a
01:36
half deep in coving let me start with
01:38
you dr urso um basically the world is
01:41
looking at delta we're seeing delta
01:42
right we are seeing a spread of delta
01:44
right now you go anywhere people like
01:46
delta delta delta
01:48
cdc officials said we're all going to
01:49
get delta
01:50
should we be scared is delta upon us are
01:53
we in a permanent pandemic right now
01:56
yeah great question rob uh i think it's
01:58
like second song same song second verse
02:00
we're gonna keep seeing variance it's
02:02
normal i don't i don't expect that not
02:04
to not to change we're vaccinating in a
02:06
very narrow framework and so when you
02:09
vaccinate just the spike
02:11
you're going to get variance because we
02:13
are doing a very
02:14
specific treatment what you're seeing
02:16
now in the delta variant is you're
02:18
seeing the same thing just a small
02:19
change
02:20
will allow the virus to mutate and get
02:22
around that and you're going to see this
02:24
happen over and over again dr malone
02:26
kind of building off of that i think it
02:28
would be fair to say um we're seeing all
02:30
these variants and i think the question
02:32
people often ask is why
02:34
this is really controversial there's a
02:36
lot of discussion
02:38
that it's this is a pandemic of the
02:40
unvaccinated
02:41
and the unvaccinated are the ones that
02:44
are driving these escape mutants
02:46
that from a from a
02:49
fundamental evolutionary standpoint as a
02:52
molecular virologist this doesn't make
02:54
sense
02:56
this virus now is known to mutate throw
02:59
off mutants at a much higher rate than
03:02
we expected it to be so there
03:04
are
03:05
very many mutants there the virus is
03:07
evolving very rapidly
03:09
this is akin to what happens if you
03:12
overuse antibiotics
03:14
so in some
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what we're doing with universal
03:18
vaccination
03:19
is driving towards this endpoint
03:21
of vaccine-resistant mutants we don't
03:23
have to so it would sound like also the
03:26
idea almost we're on the defensive we're
03:28
trying to defensively
03:29
vaccinate our way out of something that
03:32
we're already deeply in here's my
03:34
optimistic view on delta yes delta's new
03:36
variant is shaped differently
03:38
technically it has escaped the
03:39
antibodies from the vaccine so we give a
03:42
shot give another shot and say we're
03:44
going to give a booster with the same
03:46
shot for a virus that existed five
03:48
variants ago
03:49
it's like saying to healthcare workers
03:51
we're going to give you a flu shot for
03:52
the upcoming flu season but we have
03:55
leftover flu vaccines from four or five
03:57
years ago in the freezer
03:58
illogical no common sense in that
04:01
whatsoever so the variant has escaped it
04:03
and if you use a vaccine-only approach
04:06
you select for these variants my
04:08
optimistic point is delta is a wildfire
04:11
a lot of people are going to get it if
04:12
you look at countries that handled it
04:14
right the death rates from delta and
04:16
many in most countries were far lower
04:18
from this variant than other variants so
04:20
i want to give that optimistic message
04:21
does it mean people aren't going to sit
04:23
get sick not be hospitalized not going
04:25
to die no it doesn't mean that
04:27
but what we do need to look at i know dr
04:28
corey will address this is early
04:30
treatments because if you've been
04:32
vaccinated i think scientifically we
04:34
need to be 100 honest with everybody and
04:37
say
04:38
even if you're vaccinated or you're not
04:40
we can equal opportunity get the virus
04:43
now vaccinated or not and the vaccinated
04:46
can carry equal or higher viral loads
04:48
it's not proof of anything but the new
04:50
england patriots coach bill belichick
04:52
made the point when asked about whether
04:53
he should be you know using back status
04:56
for players so to be honest i look at my
04:58
team my coaches my players and it's like
04:59
half and half some are vaccinated some
05:01
aren't they're still getting covered
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that may be not a 50 50 real number but
05:05
we're seeing massive amounts of
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breakthrough right what does that say to
05:08
people dr corey this path that we're on
05:10
which is this sort of
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sort of monolithic uh vaccine only
05:15
strategy you know we're explaining the
05:17
science why that can't be the only
05:19
solution we cannot vaccinate ourselves
05:22
out of this problem the positive that i
05:24
want to say is that there we know of
05:26
strategies they're actually largely
05:28
being ignored and suppressed and i don't
05:30
want to sound conspiratorial about this
05:32
but the reason why is because there's
05:34
still a firm hell firmly held belief
05:36
that the vaccines will solve this the
05:39
evidence that you just articulated is
05:41
that it's becoming increasingly clear
05:43
that that's not true and so my hopes are
05:46
that more and more attention is going to
05:48
be paid to the other strategies which
05:50
have so far been ignored which is that
05:52
of early treatment especially now that
05:54
the vaccinated are getting sick
05:56
many of the vaccinated many people were
05:58
led to believe that if you get your
06:00
vaccine we're going to end this thing
06:02
you don't have to worry about it you can
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carry on with your lives but guess what
06:05
we're talking about variants here where
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actually my colleagues are now talking
06:09
about even scarier variants that are
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coming and so
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we need more tools uh to fight this we
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need we need more weapons to fight this
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and guess what the positive message is
06:19
we have them and i'll tell you the
06:21
strategies that we have are independent
06:23
of the variants
06:24
they can handle any variant that comes
06:26
at us we just need to get that message
06:28
out none of you are against vaccinations
06:32
in general meaning the idea of
06:33
vaccinating you probably all have
06:34
vaccinations your kids have vaccinations
06:37
your family right is that a fair
06:38
statement that's a fair statement i've
06:40
had all my childhood vaccines as have my
06:42
children i've had plenty of military
06:43
vaccines back in the day
06:46
i'm not anti-vaccine never have been but
06:48
i am pro-good science and right now
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there's science that's very questionable
06:53
with something that's very quick and
06:55
we're seeing things that we've never
06:56
seen before so i'm hesitant in this
06:58
regard
06:59
doctor you've said to me before you're
07:01
not against
07:03
a vaccine for covid i think that the
07:05
vaccines need to be used intelligently
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that's my objection
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and as as dr cole has has mentioned
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um
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this set of vaccines that we have right
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now modernizer and
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j and j
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they're all gene therapy-based vaccines
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and they all have a common problem they
07:26
only have one antigen it's the spike
07:27
antigen and when they were developing
07:30
them they didn't realize that spike was
07:32
biologically active no fault of theirs
07:34
everybody was in a rush
07:36
it was the fog of war and they made
07:38
decisions on the fly
07:40
but now it's time to take a breath
07:43
and say hey does this really make sense
07:45
and where does it make sense we don't
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have to be just
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left or right pro or anti-vaccine it's a
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middle ground
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and and i'm suggesting and i think we
07:55
all are aligned
07:57
that what we're talking about is
07:59
intelligent deployment strategic and
08:02
tactical deployment of vaccines we as a
08:05
community need to protect these people
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at high risk
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not just here in our community in our
08:11
states in my opinion we need to protect
08:14
the elders throughout the world
08:16
we don't need to
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hoard all the vaccine for people that
08:20
don't really need it
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we need to make it available across the
08:24
world for all cultures for those people
08:26
that are very high risk dr mcdonald um
08:31
you've talked a lot about fear and about
08:33
how you feel the pandemic has created
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almost an incurable fear
08:37
i think fear has really been the driving
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force of this pandemic from the very
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beginning
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i said as early as
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may of 2020 that we're not in a medical
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pandemic or in a fear pandemic
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i think that it has evolved however a
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bit beyond fear
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i think that what's driving the fear now
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is propaganda
08:58
your point is it's really messed kids up
09:01
and that struck me the first time i
09:03
heard you say that that that kids unlike
09:05
adults don't just bounce back that's
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your point kids and you said you think
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an entire generation of kids has been
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screwed by this that they will not get
09:14
their psychological health back which is
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really depressing if that's true i work
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with children i see kids all day long
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i'm a child psychiatrist this is
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happening all the time every day in my
09:24
practice
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my concern
09:27
is that the developmental stage that
09:29
children need to go through babies
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toddlers young adults is being
09:32
foreclosed on them brown university
09:35
department of pediatrics published a
09:36
study two weeks ago that found that
09:38
babies born after january 1st of 2020
09:41
which is when this whole pandemic
09:42
started have a iq point drop of 20
09:46
points 2-0 20 points compared to babies
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born before january 1 of 2020. that's
09:53
huge
09:54
why they don't see faces they don't play
09:56
they don't have exposure to friends they
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don't go to school they're basically
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locked in their homes
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looking at their parents for a year and
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a half and their brains
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have not developed my concern
10:07
is that we are building a generation of
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young people who are so traumatized that
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they will never fully recover from this
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and even if we give them therapy and
10:16
treatment they're always going to be
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damaged they're always going to be
10:19
scarred emotionally i don't mean for
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depressing i mean for it to be alarming
10:24
so that everyone can finally say stop
10:27
we've got to stop the damage and then
10:29
figure out what to do about it and what
10:31
does stop the damage to you guys mean
10:32
what does that mean does that mean don't
10:33
tell your kids i'm not sending you to
10:35
school if you're having to wear a mask
10:37
or
10:38
what what does that actually mean i'll
10:39
speak to that i think stop the damage
10:41
means to acknowledge what we have done
10:44
wrong i think that we should reverse
10:47
all of the measures that have been
10:48
implemented i feel like patients
10:51
families parents should take it upon
10:54
themselves to feel empowered we need to
10:56
get back to the basics because we've
10:58
done this wrong for so long it's been so
11:01
damaging one of the books that i had in
11:03
medical school and that we all had in
11:04
medical school was harrison's principles
11:06
of internal medicine this is basic
11:09
medicine this is what we have forgotten
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many specific host factors that's us
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influence the likelihood of acquiring an
11:16
infectious disease age immunization
11:19
history prior illnesses level of
11:22
nutrition pregnancy status coexisting
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illnesses and perhaps
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emotional state
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all have some impact on the risk of
11:31
infection after exposure to a potential
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pathogen all we have done is focused on
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one of those immunization history and so
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the
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uh
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the factors level of nutrition emotional
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state and we as we have discussed cannot
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be underestimated the ability to provide
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early effective treatment should make us
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feel empowered we should not feel afraid
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anymore
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are kids actually more more at risk the
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numbers don't seem to suggest i mean the
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number of deaths of kids from covid was
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lower than the number that's from the
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flu but now people are saying delta's
12:10
more severe so are kids at risk i'll
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just give a few statistics
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there are about 330 children that have
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died of covet in a year and a half
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there's typically about 50 000 children
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per year who die
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many more have died of drownings they
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have died of car accidents so if we look
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at the relative risks amongst different
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things covet has killed under 19
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about 330 children in the last year and
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a half so i think you need to look at
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that as you look forward to the risk to
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children do they spread
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no children don't spread there's at
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least seven different studies that show
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that essentially children spread to
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adults is close to zero near zero zero
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to one percent
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so children are not super spreaders
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children don't die from disease i own
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three
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urgent cares in the imperial valley area
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which is one of the hotbeds
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for cobit 19 because mexicali sits right
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across from us that's two and a half
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million people
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so we see about
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200 to 300 patients a day
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that's why my numbers have been so high
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i don't do telemedicine we do
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straight face-to-face encounters i have
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a big giant tent my parking lot and we
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run through and we see everybody who's
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been sick
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so one of the things that i wanted to
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differentiate was
13:28
the are these infections truly covet
13:30
because they have the cough cold and
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rhinitis and sore throat or are there
13:34
other viruses going on so i decided to
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buy a hundred thousand dollar pcr
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machine and we've been running these pcr
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tests and recently i can tell you we've
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seen 90 percent of rhino iris
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and also rsv in the kids
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so rsv typically is a winter illness
13:53
it causes pulmonary symptoms it causes a
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pulmonary bronchiolitis
13:57
not bronchitis but bronchiolitis the
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lower lower airways and that's why the
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kids are having a trouble right now
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is not in my opinion from covid but from
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rsv clearly kids are being hospitalized
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i know the cdc recently said it's
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actually not a higher proportion than it
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was under
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under covet it's the same proportion but
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and i'm not saying it's a high number
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but kids are getting sick
14:22
you're correct to say kids are getting
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sick and in under that cdc data that dr
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urso was talking about not one healthy
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child died from covet 19. and that's
14:33
correct as well okay so it was those
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children who had four or five risk
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factors
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okay morbid obesity being number one
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diabetes being number two and weakened
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immune system being number three kids on
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chemotherapy and things like that so
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yeah they're gonna have opportunistic
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affections that are also going to take
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them out but that's no different than
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rsv rhinovirus influenza that would
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normally take out these kids anyway
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unfortunately
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but yes we are seeing a higher number of
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covet
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cases in the morbid obese and the
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severity of illness in the morbid obese
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in kids is problematic do healthy people
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die of coping i mean i or are really all
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is it comorbidities is it obese people
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is it people with you know
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immunocompromise the single greatest
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predictor for dying from covet is age
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with every decade of life your risk goes
15:27
up and it's a straight line
15:29
then you have to worry about
15:30
comorbidities right so the the disease
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that they have make them more prone like
15:34
obesity and diabetes however
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we are seeing younger people now coming
15:40
into icus we are seeing relatively
15:42
healthy people die we're now seeing
15:44
people with less comorbidities than
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before in the first wave last spring
15:49
almost everybody was either obese or
15:51
diabetic
15:52
now we're seeing much less of that you
15:54
know so when my colleague said not one
15:56
healthy kid died of covid i would also
15:59
like to say i don't believe that there's
16:02
anybody who's died who's gotten
16:03
effective early treatment people don't
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die of the virus they die of
16:07
inflammation and they die of thrombosis
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do we have drugs for inflammation
16:12
that are not off-label steroids cultures
16:15
there's a bunch of drugs that are on
16:17
label that can be used for the purpose
16:20
of inflammation in this disease these
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are not controversial topics
16:25
there is many many different products we
16:27
can use lovenox aspirin eliquis serelto
16:29
there's a bunch of drugs for thrombosis
16:32
so when people say they died of covid
16:34
they died of an inflammatory thrombotic
16:37
disease they didn't die from the virus
16:39
running through their body hopefully at
16:41
some point we'll have a really good
16:42
early early treatment that's directed to
16:45
the virus itself right now we have other
16:48
treatments as dr corey said they're not
16:50
they weren't originally designed for
16:52
this virus but they are very effective
16:55
against this virus what we're seeing now
16:57
is that patients are getting early
16:58
treatment with medications such as
17:00
ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and a host
17:03
of other medications because of this
17:05
free exchange of ideas in this group of
17:08
physicians and others around the world
17:10
one thing i think we've all seen is the
17:12
ivermectin's a great example where the
17:14
media has politicized the issue right so
17:16
depending on your politics you're going
17:18
to see one or two different things and
17:19
you're going to hear oh well it's horse
17:21
medicine people are taking horse
17:23
medicine i'm sure there are people i
17:24
grew up in a rural community i'm sure
17:26
there are people who went out were like
17:27
i'm getting some of that stuff and i'm
17:28
taking it but ivermectin is used it's an
17:32
fda approved drug for human treatment
17:34
it's how the system is designed which is
17:36
largely against the use of repurposed
17:39
drugs if you know what a repurposed drug
17:41
is it's generally a drug that's off
17:43
patent not profitable it's been approved
17:46
for use in another disease for which
17:48
it's found to be effective against
17:50
another disease and when you try to
17:52
bring it out of its original disease so
17:54
ivermectin is well known as an
17:56
anti-parasite in fact the discoverers
17:59
won the nobel prize
18:00
because it eradicated two globally
18:03
endemic parasitic diseases i mean it
18:05
transformed the health status of good
18:07
portions of the world we knew on the
18:09
ground that corticosteroids were going
18:11
to work we knew it because of our
18:13
experience treating severe lung disease
18:15
we started using it and guess what we
18:16
started to see as we started to use
18:18
steroids people started to come off
18:20
ventilators we started to
18:22
divert patients away from ventilators
18:24
people who were needing oxygen were
18:26
coming off oxygen getting discharged the
18:28
entire landscape changed and i went in
18:32
the senate the u.s senate and i
18:33
testified to the world that it was
18:35
critical we use corticosteroids in the
18:36
hospitalized patient and i did that at a
18:38
time where every national international
18:40
health care agency was recommending
18:43
against its use because they thought it
18:44
would increase mortality and i got
18:47
heavily criticized for that it's now the
18:49
standard of care worldwide
18:51
everything else that we've discovered
18:53
everything that's in our protocols is
18:54
because we have
18:56
used good good clinical sense lots of
18:58
experience and we've used trial and
19:01
error using our best judgments of risks
19:03
and benefits we don't want to cause harm
19:05
but under treatment and non-treatment
19:07
harm i think this is a pandemic of
19:09
under-treatment long-haul covet is only
19:11
caused by one thing under-treatment
19:14
hospitalized covet is only caused by one
19:16
thing under treatment getting covert i'm
19:20
even going to push the envelope here
19:21
getting covert is only caused by one
19:23
thing which is a lack of an effective
19:25
preventative strategy i thought we
19:27
everyone thought was hoping was going to
19:28
be the vaccine that's not you're saying
19:30
getting kovid
19:32
getting covet itself could be is
19:34
complete i'm going to push it back in a
19:36
little completely preventable there's a
19:38
number of agents who have been shown if
19:39
you take them regularly your chances of
19:41
getting covered are far lower for me the
19:44
most effective is ivermectin there are
19:46
dozens of trials we're now up to 14
19:48
trials thousands of patients
19:51
the trials in which you take it the most
19:53
frequently you're nearly perfectly
19:55
protected from getting coveted
19:57
it is an in highly effective agent the
20:00
reason why ivermectin is so important in
20:02
this disease is that it has numerous
20:04
mechanisms mechanisms of action the most
20:07
important mechanism is that we know it
20:10
binds tightly to the spike protein the
20:12
spike protein on this virus is how it
20:15
gets into our cell how it's allowed to
20:17
replicate if you can bind it you can
20:19
block it and you can prevent yourself
20:21
from getting sick the one caveat though
20:23
is what we've learned is that in the
20:25
delta variant just like the vaccines we
20:28
started seeing breakthroughs so we have
20:30
to change our dosing strategy of all of
20:32
the trials done on ivermectin the
20:34
strongest evidence is actually in
20:36
prevention it is a wickedly effective
20:39
highly potent preventative agent you if
20:42
you take it regularly your chances of
20:44
getting sick are near nil
20:46
matthew you've done a lot of statistical
20:48
research particularly around the success
20:51
of early treatments and it hasn't gotten
20:53
a lot of attention why don't you take a
20:54
second and talk about your findings so
20:56
early on i was a little frustrated not
20:58
seeing much analysis and so i started to
21:01
reach out to doctors that i knew and
21:03
said uh you know what do you see and uh
21:05
numerous doctors told me i'm using this
21:07
and it looks good and there wasn't much
21:09
data out so i kept reaching out to more
21:11
and more doctors around the world
21:12
eventually collected about uh 20 000
21:14
data points and this is this is almost a
21:16
year and a half ago
21:17
and it looked like uh those who were
21:19
using hydroxychloroquine and especially
21:21
if they they included azithromycin and
21:23
zinc or you know possibly another
21:25
macrolide other than azithromyce but uh
21:27
with the zinc in particular uh it went
21:29
down it looked like relative to
21:31
everybody else in their communities
21:33
about 98
21:35
lower mortality
21:36
and this was across like seven different
21:38
nations i got this data from so
21:40
put all this together as tens of
21:42
thousands of data points by the end of
21:44
last year um
21:45
but it it's difficult to to get uh to
21:48
get a lot of this data published because
21:50
you know i'm working on dr tyson's data
21:53
right now and we've been you know we've
21:54
had the results for months but it's it's
21:56
difficult to get it published difficult
21:58
to get it published why because journals
22:00
don't want to publish it
22:02
there is some of that um anything that
22:04
goes against the narrative takes longer
22:06
in peer review is that a is that a valid
22:08
thing that it would take longer is that
22:10
understandable or is that politics uh i
22:13
think there's some politics involved dr
22:15
tyson you've said you have how many
22:17
deaths of the six thousand people you've
22:19
treated so still with treatment
22:22
started from day one to seven
22:24
zero zero deaths right from treatment
22:27
started from day seven to fourteen i
22:29
have four
22:31
two died the same day they showed up at
22:32
the clinic and two died in the hospital
22:34
and i wanted to say my numbers exactly
22:37
match up with brian's i've treated about
22:39
1500 and i had one death and it was
22:42
because the there was some delay in
22:44
treatment i know that several physicians
22:46
who have treated didn't have any deaths
22:47
until approximately july august and that
22:50
was with the change in the virus within
22:52
a week or two all of us were saying the
22:53
exact same thing something has changed
22:56
what do we need to do to change the
22:57
protocol dr so you're treating
22:59
vaccinated and unvaccinated absolutely
23:01
vaccinated and vaccinated and so i would
23:03
say in july the majority of my sicker
23:06
patients were unvaccinated and then i
23:08
noticed in august it seemed to be about
23:10
50 50 and now i'm noticing it's more
23:12
vaccinated and so it happened a very
23:14
quick change in my practice dr tyson dr
23:17
gessling and myself are family
23:18
physicians okay so we're the folks who
23:21
have been in those front lines getting
23:23
the phone calls in the middle of the
23:24
night from concerned parents and what
23:26
you've just heard from dr corey is that
23:28
if you take the right preventive
23:31
plan of medications either
23:32
hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or both
23:35
and what you've heard also from us is if
23:37
you get the right treatment with the
23:38
same medications and more
23:40
you're approaching zero percent
23:42
mortality i hear your passion and
23:44
understanding you guys are out there in
23:45
the trenches it's bizarre that we are
23:48
not we are facing a pandemic that has
23:51
left us where we are clearly divided
23:54
about the simplest thing treatments are
23:56
treatments they're not all going to work
23:57
some are going to fail you're going to
23:59
experiment but in most diseases right
24:01
doctors get in there and you figure it
24:03
out and in this one for some reason we
24:05
got blocked into this thing where it's
24:07
like
24:08
no no no and i think you have an opinion
24:10
partly why you have to ask yourself why
24:13
if we have a solution we have effective
24:15
treatments why aren't they being
24:17
recognized and disseminated across the
24:19
world
24:20
and there's really two forces that i
24:21
think we're up against the first force
24:23
is that
24:25
in general our health agencies are
24:27
suffering what's called regulatory
24:29
capture they're largely driven by
24:31
financial interest external financial
24:34
interests
24:35
that are really influenced in making
24:37
sure that the solution to the pandemic
24:40
is one that is profitable
24:42
vaccines are profitable
24:45
the other challenge that we're having
24:47
which is somewhat overlapping is that
24:51
in academia what we call the ivory
24:53
towers the big academic institutions in
24:55
the last 10 years there's been this sort
24:57
of
24:58
increasing belief
25:00
into
25:02
the idea
25:03
that the only
25:05
proof of efficacy of a drug has to come
25:09
out of a large double-blind randomized
25:11
controlled trial when you do a
25:13
randomized control trial you have to
25:15
first make the diagnosis everyone has to
25:17
have a positive test they have to have
25:19
symptoms they have to be enrolled
25:21
consented randomized and then the drug
25:23
is delivered each one of those steps
25:25
takes time and so by the time they do
25:27
these randomized control trials
25:29
oftentimes it's very delayed and
25:31
oftentimes it's under dosed because
25:33
they're using doses that i was using six
25:35
months ago we move with this pandemic
25:38
because we can't prove it with the one
25:40
tool that we that we need to prove it we
25:42
are getting suppressed and that message
25:44
is getting suppressed who funds big
25:46
randomized controlled trials
25:48
uh that would be pharma generally uh
25:50
there now there is philanthropy and
25:52
there is the nih but they tend to be big
25:54
but however the nih and pharma are quite
25:56
tightly linked let's just take a minute
25:59
and address
26:00
some of the vaccine-related questions
26:02
that i think people have and i want to
26:04
start with you dr malone if that's okay
26:06
because you are the one of the
26:08
architects of mrna technology and if i
26:11
were to ask you dr malone
26:13
are you against a vaccine for covid i
26:16
know your answer would be absolutely not
26:18
but you do have some issues with this
26:20
particular vaccine why
26:24
um thanks for that opportunity to make
26:26
the point that i'm not an anti-vaxxer
26:28
i'm a guy who's spent the majority of my
26:30
adult life developing vaccines and
26:33
trying to get vaccines licensed
26:35
for example the ebola vaccine that we
26:37
call the merck vaccine
26:39
this this
26:41
is
26:42
a
26:43
technology platform that i believe and
26:46
many believe has enormous
26:49
promise
26:51
and right now it's in its infancy
26:55
the
26:56
safety of the underlying technology
26:59
is not yet fully demonstrated it hasn't
27:02
been fully characterized
27:04
and that will come that's good news
27:07
however
27:09
in
27:09
in the fog of war and the need to come
27:12
up with something as soon as possible
27:14
some decisions were made to move things
27:18
forward very rapidly they were based on
27:20
incomplete information no harm no foul
27:23
people did what they did
27:25
in good faith
27:27
and focused on a protein that they
27:29
thought was fully safe spike
27:32
but now over a year later
27:35
we know that in the virus this protein
27:38
is responsible for much of the disease
27:40
that the virus causes the pathology in
27:43
your vascular endothelial cells the
27:45
coagulation
27:47
and it's unfortunate that this
27:48
particular protein
27:50
in its in what appears to be a
27:52
biologically active form was used in
27:54
these vaccines what is the result of
27:56
that what does that mean is happening
27:58
this is a thromboembolic disease what
28:00
does that mean covet is a clotting
28:02
disease covert is a clotting disease
28:03
covet is a clotting disease
28:06
now when we give a spike protein to dr
28:09
malone's point that is an active
28:12
biologic
28:15
molecule
28:16
we chose the wrong molecule that causes
28:19
disease so what do i see under the
28:21
microscope you see these coveted skin
28:23
cases you know these weird covered
28:24
rashes what is that that's clotting in
28:27
the skin
28:28
when i get the autopsy tissues now from
28:30
my colleagues around the country these
28:32
patients that you know we have
28:34
unfortunately doctors that say there's
28:36
no damage from the vaccines and no
28:38
deaths from the vaccines
28:40
we should use the french legal system
28:43
when we have a new product that's never
28:44
been used on humanity in the market it's
28:47
guilty until proven innocent
28:49
every time there is damage or disease
28:52
from that product we need to assume it
28:54
is until we prove it isn't so under the
28:57
microscope
28:58
we see clotting in the lungs we see
29:00
clotting in the vessels we see clotting
29:02
in the brain
29:03
not from the virus
29:06
but from the spike from the vaccine
29:07
itself now consider the numerator and
29:09
the denominator
29:11
are most people going to be fine yes and
29:13
i want to emphasize that
29:15
in our data around the world from the
29:17
united states from the uk from the euro
29:19
vigilance
29:21
in
29:22
europe we have seen more death and
29:24
damage from this one medical product
29:27
then
29:28
all other vaccines combined in the last
29:32
several decades in just a short eight
29:35
month window of time
29:37
it has done more damage than any other
29:40
medical product therapy shot
29:44
modality of anything we've ever allowed
29:47
to stay on the market to this point
29:49
do i mean do a sound alarmist no i'm
29:52
being factual and when i look at it
29:55
under the microscope and i see the parts
29:57
of people
29:58
or people that are no longer with us
30:01
the damage in the disease is caused by
30:03
that spike protein it is present common
30:05
sense would tell me you can't tell me
30:08
you know a vaccine's efficacy is
30:10
debatable but you're figuring it out but
30:12
you know it's safe if you couldn't
30:14
possibly know it's safe because you
30:16
would need five ten years to really know
30:19
it's safe just common sense i love your
30:21
approach of of let's just think
30:24
for a minute let's just apply common
30:26
sense
30:28
it normally takes a decade or more
30:30
to produce a vaccine that is safe
30:33
and effective and to demonstrate that
30:35
it's safe the usual standard with the
30:38
fda is that you allow at least two years
30:41
after you have administered the phase
30:44
three
30:45
material to at least three thousand
30:47
people for a vaccine often the fda wants
30:49
many more people than that and you
30:51
follow them for two years at least to
30:53
see whether or not they're generating
30:55
autoimmune problems etc and you're dead
30:58
on i mean any of you can do the math
31:01
okay
31:02
have shortcuts been taken
31:04
normally it takes three years to
31:06
evaluate the data
31:08
this was deployed in in you know eight
31:10
months six months or less after the
31:12
phase three trials were completed
31:15
so it it doesn't take a genius to figure
31:18
out the common sense that we don't have
31:21
the information
31:23
in terms of safety and pregnancy
31:25
reproductive toxicology reproductive
31:28
risks potential birth defects
31:31
the honest truth is whatever they tell
31:33
you
31:34
we don't have the data
31:36
so
31:38
the whomever is speaking
31:40
if they're telling you that it's safe
31:43
but they haven't actually done the
31:45
studies
31:46
i think you can figure out that that
31:48
means that they're not being let's see
31:51
gently
31:52
truthful with you were women even
31:54
included were pregnant women even
31:55
included in the clinical trials of
31:57
course they weren't the nih just funded
32:01
the study
32:02
like a week ago
32:04
on reproductive toxicology and birth
32:07
effects in children
32:09
the study the major study on potential
32:12
risks in pregnancy wasn't started until
32:16
after about almost a month after the cdc
32:19
said it's okay to go ahead and start
32:21
taking the vaccine for people who don't
32:23
know
32:24
a good push a good percentage of the of
32:26
the covet
32:28
of the vaccine the spike protein i'm
32:29
sorry the lip and nanoparticles actually
32:32
goes to the ovaries they knew this
32:33
before they started that this is what
32:35
happened so i do think while there might
32:37
not have been intent anybody who did
32:39
that kind of work would know that they
32:41
would actually go to those places that's
32:42
what they do they go through those very
32:45
easily and of course they're carrying
32:46
spike protein spike protein we know is
32:49
going to cause inflammation in the
32:50
ovaries what do we know about that well
32:53
as dr malone said we don't know what
32:55
that means is that going to affect
32:56
fertility we don't know we've got to
32:58
hope and pray that it doesn't because
33:00
many people have taken that and they now
33:02
have significant inflammation that has
33:04
gone
33:05
to those organs and so the other the
33:07
other place
33:09
is the pregnant women we literally have
33:11
pregnant women coming in she had two
33:13
miscarriages she was in her 10th week
33:14
and her ob actually told her to go get
33:17
the um
33:18
the vaccine and he cannot know that
33:21
that's safe it's impossible so she
33:24
didn't have miscarriages from
33:26
the vaccine she just happened to have
33:27
miscarriages she's at high risk for
33:29
another miscarriage it's a high risk
33:31
pregnancy there's no reason to introduce
33:33
any new therapeutic of any sort in this
33:36
patient so this is what we're seeing a
33:38
one-size-fits-all policy that makes no
33:41
sense and we need to stop it and we need
33:42
to adopt early treatment in other
33:44
measures what if you're covid recovered
33:46
you may be vaccinated or unvaccinated
33:48
and covert recovered but it's a whole
33:50
unique group that you actually would
33:52
argue
33:53
has actually more immunity and is more
33:55
valuable than all the others together
33:57
100 true
33:58
if you've had covid you're done with
34:00
covet
34:01
we don't need to modify mother nature
34:04
and if you think of what a vaccine is a
34:06
vaccine
34:08
mimics a small portion of a natural
34:10
infection
34:12
so to say a natural infection is not
34:14
equal to a vaccination is insanity
34:17
in vaccinology we're trying to mimic a
34:20
part of nature whereas mother nature
34:23
does it right
34:24
and a high high high high high
34:27
percentage you know dr molcola would say
34:29
you know one in a hundred million maybe
34:31
one in a million if you have a weakened
34:33
immune system if you'd have and have had
34:35
covert may get it again but you're going
34:37
to get it in a much more mild manner
34:39
so this
34:40
two-tier
34:42
polarization of our society you know a
34:44
virus isn't politically red or blue or
34:46
purple a virus is a humanitarian issue
34:49
and when we divide ourselves in thought
34:51
and don't listen to science anymore
34:54
we're going down the wrong paths when we
34:56
look at what's happened to the children
34:58
going back to the children point half of
34:59
kids in the u.s have already had covid
35:03
we're not antibody testing we're
35:04
treating everybody with this terrible
35:06
oppression of you've got to wear a mask
35:08
it doesn't matter that you had coveted
35:11
you know you've got to stay home if
35:13
somebody in your classroom tests
35:14
positive it denies basic science and
35:18
this is an upper level immunology this
35:21
is basic immunology 101 and we are
35:24
forgetting what our amazing immune
35:27
system does how many of you had
35:28
chickenpox from your kid probably a lot
35:30
okay
35:31
how many of you ever gotten them again
35:33
yeah no
35:35
did you need a shot no how many of you
35:37
you know grandma had measles
35:39
has ever grandma ever gotten measles
35:40
again no because her immune system works
35:43
this gets back to common sense
35:45
why are they telling us
35:47
that natural infection isn't protective
35:51
why are they telling us that those have
35:53
recovered still got to get the jab okay
35:56
there is a financial incentive here
35:58
and
35:59
if there are a few examples that make it
36:02
so abundantly clear
36:04
one is this crazy labeling of ivermectin
36:07
as a horse-paced drug hey i give irobect
36:10
into my horses but i don't take the
36:11
horse version from myself you know
36:15
and and the other is this crazy
36:17
messaging about natural infection
36:20
why are they saying these things that
36:22
make no sense under age 50 with no
36:25
comorbidities your chance of dying from
36:27
this disease are about nil and if you
36:29
get early treatment they're even closer
36:31
to nil
36:32
so if you were covered recovered which
36:34
half of the young people in north
36:35
america are and probably here as well
36:38
you don't need a shot
36:39
and the shot can damage the heart of
36:41
children there are more children who've
36:43
had myocarditis and there's never such a
36:45
thing as mild myocarditis that's
36:46
inflammation of the heart once you get
36:48
inflammation get scarring those kids
36:49
hearts are damaged for life
36:51
there are more kids that have had
36:53
hearted you know like five you know five
36:55
10 15 kids now that have died of heart
36:57
attacks after the shots 400 plus kids
36:59
that have had myocarditis that have
37:01
damaged hearts for life that's more than
37:02
the kids that have died from covet now
37:04
the ratio to damaged children is much
37:07
higher than to do benefit and children
37:09
survive this virus at a statistical 100
37:11
percent age zero to 18 99.997 percent of
37:14
children survive this virus so why are
37:16
we punishing kids for a virus they
37:18
survive it's illogical there's lots of
37:20
people out there who got the vaccine and
37:23
are wondering how risky is it here's
37:26
what i do know about multiple boosters
37:29
the immune system is really really
37:31
complex
37:33
and it's as complex as the nervous
37:35
system which by the way comes from the
37:36
same cell type
37:38
incredibly complex
37:40
and one thing as somebody that's been in
37:42
this business and had all this stupid
37:44
training for 30 years
37:46
more is not better
37:49
the assumption
37:50
that another dose
37:52
is going to boost your immunity
37:55
um to levels that it was previously
37:58
needs to be demonstrated clearly and the
38:00
safety of that needs to be demonstrated
38:03
because as immunologists we know darn
38:05
well there's a thing called high zone
38:07
tolerance
38:08
more is not better more can actually
38:11
suppress the immune response after the
38:14
extra shots we're seeing the depletion
38:16
of certain cell types to your point
38:19
we're starting to document it and
38:20
studying it
38:22
and to his question
38:24
why give a third shot
38:26
to a virus that was gone in january and
38:29
february of this year we're on to delta
38:32
the booster is not something new it's
38:34
the same shot for the virus that's gone
38:37
delta's a new virus essentially so is
38:39
there any logic to boost something
38:41
that's not even here anymore no
38:44
people are we're vaccinating by giving
38:46
that booster shot we're vaccinating for
38:48
covet and we're already on the delta and
38:50
14 g strain that you know we made the
38:52
sequence for the spike against isn't
38:54
even circulating anymore it's not even
38:56
here we're you know one two three four
38:58
five variants on from that delta is
39:00
behaving as a new virus the antibodies
39:02
don't neutralize it anymore especially
39:04
the n-terminal domain of the spike it's
39:06
a wrong approach at this point it is the
39:08
wrong protein now it's not even a virus
39:11
that's here okay let me get we got some
39:14
great people out here who want to
39:15
participate i am
39:16
as skeptical of big pharma as anybody
39:18
else is
39:19
more than most but i've heard uh lots of
39:23
speculation and lots of in some cases
39:25
outright's assertion that there's an
39:28
evil profit motive at work here that is
39:30
preventing a lot of good things from
39:32
happening that may well be true
39:35
but that goes both ways and i'm not
39:37
accusing you of this i never would but
39:39
you guys make a living by treating
39:42
patients
39:43
and if the vaccines are effective and
39:45
you don't have patients to treat you
39:48
lose right everyone in my practice
39:50
wishes and prays every day that covet
39:52
goes away
39:54
we don't want to treat another patient
39:55
with covid ever ever again
39:58
to be honest with you my other patients
39:59
have been neglected because of covet i
40:01
this is it's impossible for us to keep
40:04
up with the displacement we don't have
40:05
to know what pharmacies motives are it
40:07
doesn't matter to me i'm not interested
40:09
what i'm interested in is a
40:10
comprehensive plan i'm interested in
40:12
contagion control i'm interested in
40:15
vaccination i'm interested in
40:17
prophylaxis i'm interested in early
40:19
treatment
40:20
the motivation side doesn't matter it's
40:22
the data that matters in a comprehensive
40:24
plan that matters so we don't have to
40:26
fight and say they're bad we're good it
40:29
doesn't matter it's a comprehensive plan
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that we need to emphasize that
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encompasses everything including
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vaccination including prophylaxis
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including early treatment all these
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things nutrition all these things need
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to be emphasized so that the fact of the
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matter is what really matters is we need
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to do everything all at the same time
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because that's how we do it that's how
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we've always done it we've never done it
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different it was a shock to us to find
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it different that people are not
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emphasizing early treatment that is just
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something that is incomprehensible and
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we still don't know the answer and we
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don't care i don't care we're just going
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to go forward and we're going to treat
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we're going to recommend vaccination and
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when i'm smart we're going to do
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prophylaxis we're going to do nutrition
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we're going to do late treatment we're
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going to do all of that because that's
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smart i want to ask if you think
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after
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maybe may after 2020 there were an
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emergency if there is an emergency now
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so i'm an intensive care unit physician
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um i take care of the patients who come
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at the end of the line and i will tell
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you we still are having an emergency
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this is an emergent situation if you
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look at the united states there are
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dozens of cities and areas where the
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hospitals are filling the icus are
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filling this is a what it is an
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emergency of it's an emergency of under
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treatment there's under treatment early
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there's under treatment late in the
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hospital using low doses of
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corticosteroids when we have immense
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amounts of data showing higher doses are
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life-saving combinations of therapies
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are life-saving we know how to get these
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patients better but we have to be more
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aggressive at every phase everyone is
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being restricted to following the
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protocols that come from the top they're
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not working they're failing and that's
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the emergency i think there is a
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perception because it's been very
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politicized this whole covert thing's
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just been exaggerated your issues were
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not treating it not that it's not a real
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deadly disease is that fair yeah i i
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have to tell you my perspective is quite
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different i've never ever walked into an
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icu that's full of every patient on a
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ventilator with the same disease i've
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never seen 24 patients on a ventilator
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with the flu at any one time i've never
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seen dermatologists
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taking care of patients on ventilators
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in regular hospital floors it is getting
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better we're not in that catastrophic
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phase but this is the most complex and
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most violent disease that i have seen
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and the most difficult to treat in the
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icu the trick is avoid getting the icu
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is there any realistic scenario under
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which everyone gets vaccinated and covid
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actually goes
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away because i find that this is still
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the
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assumption in the mainstream narrative
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as a frontline doctor and i'll tell you
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what i see in my practice
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the answer is no
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because
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half of my patients have been vaccinated
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fully
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the other half
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have not
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and even under the sense that
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everybody's going to be vaccinated
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you still have patients fully vaccinated
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with severe disease
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so i i don't see that can we vax our way
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out of this is that possible now in
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order to you can run the numbers in
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order to get to herd immunity
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you have to have a vaccine that's
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generally more than 80 effective in
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preventing infection not preventing
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disease okay to block the spread
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in the cdc slide deck
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that they leaked to the was leaked to
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the washington post
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they showed clearly even with delta let
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alone lambda and mu
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we cannot stop the spread of delta if we
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were to vaccinate with these leaky
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vaccines
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which efficacy in terms of prevention of
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infection
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is something between 40 and 60 percent
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we can arm wrestle okay you could
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vaccinate the whole world with that and
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you still won't stop the spread what you
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will do is select for even more potent
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escape mutants okay that are going to
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blow through those vaccines and who's
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going to die
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the people
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that we wanted to protect in the first
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place the elderly the morbidly obese the
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immunocompromise those are the ones that
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are going to suffer from this
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inappropriate universal vaccination
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strategy the thing that worries me the
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most
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in what i've been hearing from frontline
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physicians here in this meeting
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is they're experiencing
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that the delta variant seems to be worse
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it seems to be more pathogenic no we
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can't stop it can we make it worse yeah
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we can i'm going to put in layman's
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terms you can't play whack-a-mole with a
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vaccine with the variant because by the
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time you get vaccinated against the next
45:06
variant the new one's here and then the
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new one's here and you're not going to
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roll out a new one every time
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so to that point you have to focus on
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treating early
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thank you all for being here by the way
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just want to say i've heard a number of
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these guys say we'll take on anyone and
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while we didn't do a head-to-head i
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think this is a great way to have a
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conversation at this perspective that
45:25
often gets repressed and you get to see
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it's much more nuanced it's not as black
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and white or as simplistic as it seems
45:31
we need more than anything in this
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country right now in this world right
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now to start having conversations we're
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not having and be willing to have them
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have the guts to have them to hear what
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we're not comfortable with so thank you
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all for being part of roundtable's first
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roundtable
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